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Super 14 - Spreads Experiment

Super 14 - Spreads Experiment

On the back of last years Currie Cup shirt selling experiment I am doing the same again in the S14 to see if we can unearth any profitable patterns.

Going to sell shirst for 1 unit (virtual unit) in each game and lets see how we go. Will post a more detailed explanation on the weekend for those new to spreads.

Game 1 Blues Hurricanes low at 53

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I think a 26-29 unit profit in game 1.

Low at 48 in Brumbies game - personally I fancy a few tries in this one.

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I will pot a wrap up later but another 21 unit profit in game 2.

Low at 52 in Cheetahs Bulls game

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Low at 50 in Crusaders game. Will sumarise soon but hit stoploss last night I think

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A couple of pick numbers went over in that last game - pleased I am only betting virtual units at this stage.

Low at 48 in Tah's game.

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Low on both the Lions and Sharks games at 53

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Brent what do you mean "low in shirts"? Have no idea what you talking about, I am probably the only one who doesnt and im exposing my betting maturity.

You can observe a lot by just watching.

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Schooms, no you are certainly not alone. Will have a full report with explanations on site by Monday.

Have not done the recon for week 1 yet but think the experiment may be slightly up after a really rocky ride.

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Full explanation of this experiment to follow but in the inerim here are the results for week1:

Blues game +29
Force game +21
Cheetahs game -40
Crusaders game -40
Reds game-3
Lions game +3
Sharks game +40

First week profit 10 units

Comment: the rule changes have certainly ensured some running rugby and I feel there may actually be money to be made going high in selected games . The Reds, Blues and Lions look full of running but as they fall out of contention so their defence will weaken.

It was a volatile opening week and in the end probably a bit unfortunate not to be further ahead because there were a number of substitute tries.

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Low at 49 in Highlanders v Blues game

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Soe serious high number in the last game with only 5 tries but a final total of 77.

Thats 28 units lost in game 1 and we are low at 54 in the Reds v Crusaders game.

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An 18 unit loss in the Reds game, we low at 57 and 60 in the Sharks and Lions games respectivly.

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This tournament has started very differently to the experiments I have run previously and it will be interesting to see if it is just a short term set back for sellers or whether the new rules have changed the game and the bookmakers quotes are not yet taking this into account (bookmakers lag)

Won 34 in the Sharks game but did the maximum in Lions game. I will work out later what the Lions spread was but must have been around 250? Very few low numbers scoring tries and the backs having a field day.

Low at 57 in Canes game and if conditions are good I think we are in for a hiding and I will likely be buying in my personal capacity.

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Low at 71 in Bulls game and 68 in Stormers game

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Sorry forgot to link to this explantion of spreads http://www.goodforthegame.co.za/rugby/s … iment.html

54 units down so far (thought it would be more) and we are low at 68 in Saders v Sharks game

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Some late tries meant only a 9 unit profit in the last - low at 57 in Stormers game

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And the sellers claw back with stop loss 40 units in the Stormers game.

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We are low at 83 in the Hurricanes Lions game although with conditions good I think there will be a number of tries in this one.

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Low at 60 in Reds game - conditions poor

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really surprised bookies offered 60 on Reds game given the shocking conditions, I would have been all over the low if I got my backside into gear on spreads!!

Were they just slow in adjusting Brent or is that a normal quote for poor playing conditions?

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Slow in adjusting and so was I - went high at 63 without checking conditions  sad

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ah sorry just read that now on the other thread, was still catching up! You never know,maybe a card or 2 to open up game.

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The forwards are all bundling over today - low at 65 in Force game. Not too bad in the end South!

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Low at 65 in this one (cheetahs)

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We were low at 67 in Bulls game - all in all a good comeback for sellers this weekend and summary will follow early in the week.

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A great weekend for sellers with an 83 unit profit over the 7 games. It would have been much bigger but for hitting stop loss in the Bulls game as at that point 123 units had been gained in 6 matches.

Overall the experiment now sits 29 units up.

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We are low at 72 in the opening match between the Chiefs and Reds although personally I am hoping the experiment takes a knock here.

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Low at64 in the Brumbies game

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Will confirm at the end of the weekend but I think a combined 43 unit profit on the first 2 games.

Low at 58 in the Crusaders v Blues clash.

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Another 17 units to the sellers.

Low at 55 in the Waratahs v Sharks game

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Low at 55 in Stormers game and 65 in Cheetahs game

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A fascinating weekend for the spreads experiment as for the second week running defences dominated and selling shirts would have delivered a profit in each match.

In total 106 units profit on the week taking the running total to +135 units and the evidence is stacking up to suggest that sellers have a better chance of winning in the long run.

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Will be interesting to see how this weekend goes - low at 57 in game 1 the Chiefs v the Crusaders

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Made a 24 unit profit in game 1 and low at 68 in Tahs Lions game

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Hit stop loss of 40 units in Tahs game and low at 60 in Brumbies game

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Bounce back with a 40 unit win in the Brumbies Sharks game and low at 76 in the Bulls game and 53 in the Stormers game

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Not a great weekend for sellers with stop loss in the Bulls game a a biggish knock in the Stormers match. Low at 63 in Reds v Force match.

Summary and wrap will follow Monday

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Week 5 was a bad one for sellers and the experiment took a 70 unit loss with 4 of the 6 games favouring shirts buyers and stop loss hit in both the Waratahs and Bulls games.

Overall the experiment now sits 65 units up and more bets to follow on Friday.

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Low at 60 in the Blues v Brumbies game

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Some big numbers there and a 27 unit hit for the experiment in game 1 - things starting to level out again.

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Oops forgot about no 20 going over for the Brumbies so stop loss for sellers in game 1.

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Low at 86 in the Bulls Hurricanes game

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Brent on the road, asked me to post that the Saders v Lions game was low at 88 and the Highlanders v Sharks low at 58

Was that half a million win or place on Lucky Dan....?

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Thanks Mackem missed both games but looking at scores I think that sellers would have clawed some units back.

Low at 72 in the Force v Waratahs game and I am amazed at the spread. See the Super 14 thread for more:

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Low at 55 in Stormers game, sorry forgot to post

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Been one of those weeks and no chance to even do last weeks recon yet but will try tomorrow.

We low at 78 in game 1 the Highlanders v Lions - that seems a very high quote and I may sell in my personal capacity as well.

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A 19 unit loss in the opener I believe - low at 68 in Brumbies v Chiefs game

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A 20 unit profit in game 2 and low at 73 in the Reds v Cheetahs game

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Another 28 units for sellers and conditions certainly assisted.

Low at 62 in the Hurricanes v Sharks match

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Low at 65 in the Waratahs v Blues match

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Low at 75 in the final game - Force v Bulls

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Brent's in the middle of nowhere and battling for signal but sent me a message to say low at 57 in the Hurricanes v Crusaders game.

Was that half a million win or place on Lucky Dan....?

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and low at 55 in Force v Stormers

Was that half a million win or place on Lucky Dan....?

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Thanks Mackem, low at 79 in the Blues game and 65 in the Chiefs Highlanders match.

Will do full recon and sum up at the end of the weekend

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Low at 65 in Waratahs game

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Low at 53 in the Sharks v Reds game

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Finally got around to doing the recon for the last 3 weeks and some fascinating results.

The last 3 weeks have yielded 237 units profit for sellers taking the experiments running total to 302 units profit after 51 games.

At R100 a unit you would be sitting a handy 30k up just past the halfway stage of the competition.

Instead old lab rat here has been going high in his personal capacity  hmm

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would love to have that 30k up position! smile

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LOL you are not alone there South

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Got an sms from Brent to say we are low at 66 in the Chiefs Bulls match

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Another 26 units into the kitty for sellers.

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Low at 65 in the Highlanders Force game and as you will see from the S14 week 9 thread I hope the experiment gives some back in this one

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29 units lost in that game and low at 60 in the Blues v Stormers clash

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Low at 68 in the Crusaders game

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Low at 68 in the Crusaders game

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Low at 78 in Brumbies game

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Low at 80 in the Reds game - wrap to follow early next week

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Sorry for the lack of a week 9 wrap but will try and do early next week together with week 10. Think sellers gave a few units back and we are low at 53 in the Chiefs Stormers game.

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low at 60 in Canes game

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Low at 65 in the Blues Force game

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Low at 85 in the Crusaders Cheetahs game

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a great day for the total points sellers so far.

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Low at 60 in the Reds v Bulls game

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Low at 73 in the Lions Sharks game - full wrap of last 2 weeks on Monday morning

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An interesting couple of weeks and a come back of sorts for shirts buyers.

In week 9 we opened with a balance of +302 units and lost 41 units to end at 261 units up.

Week 10 saw a 4 unit profit leaving the experiment 265 units up after 10 weeks.

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Work calls today so will be following games from my cell phone so here goes for Week 11:

We are low at

70 in the Chiefs game

53 in the Reds game
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60 in the Force v Saders games

The Force or matches featuring them have made the most money for sellers this season.

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Have not worked things out yet but a big day for sellers (I know this cause I went high in my personal capacity  sad  )

We are low at 60 in the Highlanders game and 52 in the Waratahs game

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Low at 68 in Bulls Lions game and 60 in Sharks game

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An amazing weekend for sellers in week 11 with a 125 points profit taking the running total to +391 points with 24 matches remaining.

Does anyone else feel sick that this is just a virtual experiment and they have not been putting money down?

Low at 58 in the Highlanders Waratahs match.

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Another 23 units for sellers in game 1 (went low before spreads started tumbling when weather conditions leaked through)



Balance now +414 points

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Low at 47 in Stormers game

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An 18 point loss in Stormers game.

I will not be around for the next 2 games and we are low at 60 in the Canes game and 48 in the Brumbies game

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Brent's out and about but asked me to post to say low at 70 for the Cheetahs v Blues game.

Was that half a million win or place on Lucky Dan....?

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all of those last 3 games close but small profit overall for sellers. I want to go back in time and be a seller for Super 14 this year, this experiment is fantastic but also a little bit sickening at same time! laughsmiley

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LOL I know the feeling - gave 40 units back in the Cheetahs game though?

Low at 78 in the Lions game

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lol I got carried away there Brent, you're right 40 given back on Cheetahs game.

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Sorry totally forgot to post Bulls game - low at 60

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A small profit of 9 points for sellers in week 12 takes the balance to +423 points after 77 games.

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We are low at 63 in the opener Hurricanes v Reds

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SMS from BG: Took a 40 point knock in game 1 - low at 64 in Bulls v Crusaders game

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An 8 point profit last night and lows at 63 in the Chiefs v Waratahs game this morning.

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Low at 69 in Brumbies game - another stop loss in Chiefs game as sellers give some back

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Low at 94 in the Lions v Blues game

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Low at 77 in the Cheetahs v Force game

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Low at 48 in Stormers game

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Still need to recon Week 13 but a loss for sellers and will update with week 14 early next week.

Low at 58 in the Crusaders v Brumbies game.

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hi guys,
Thanks Brent for your spread picks.
I hoped people shopped around for the best shirt prices because if you look at the info below there is a HUGE variance between certain bookmakers
Betxchage has it 49
WorldOfSport has it 55
SportBets has it 58!
Good luck

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moscowgomez wrote:

hi guys,
Thanks Brent for your spread picks.
I hoped people shopped around for the best shirt prices because if you look at the info below there is a HUGE variance between certain bookmakers
Betxchage has it 49
WorldOfSport has it 55
SportBets has it 58!
Good luck

Even sportingindex which is the biggest sport betting spread site out there has it at 48.So 58 is a steal!

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Those sort of movements can only mean weather is bad - I was selling in my personal capacity but moved too slowly after seeing your post and the 58 is something of the past now - market suspended.

Agree Moscow you have to shop around for spreads. I always use the example that if you are a R100 a point punter and save 1 point a game you save or increase your profit by R9400 over the Super 14.

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Good spot Moscow! Bummed that I missed it

Break a leg boys! As a broken leg cant score many tries wink

Scared Money don't make Money!

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15 points lost in that one - low at 58 in Waratahs v Canes game

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16 units back to the bookies in that one, low at 74 in the Sharks game

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Sellers cam eback strongly last night, low at 72 in the Blues game this morning

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Low at 78 in Reds game

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Low at 72 in the Cheetahs v Lions game.

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Experiment taking a big knock this weekend - low at 65 in Stormers Bulls game

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Managed to do the recons for the last 2 weeks last night:

Week 13: Nett loss of 15 points for sellers

Week 14: Nett loss of 77 points for sellers

Overall the experiment now sits 331 points up with just 3 games to go.

Look forward to analysing the findings over the next couple of weeks.

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Low at 62 in the Bulls v Crusaders semifinal and low at 52 in the Stormers Waratahs match

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A nice bounce back for sellers in the semi finals with profits of 2 and 40 points respectively.

44 points on week and with one game to go balance is +375 units

At a stake of R100 per point you would be a handy 37.5k up!

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Low at 46 in the final

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4 points profit on the final and 379 points over the tournament - I will share some stats during the week.

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