I will climb in if the Saders are -6.5, I reckon it will be closer to 11 or 12. McCaw on the bench, Saders need a bounce back and Sharks lack flair this year

They agree with you RB and are -11.5 - I feel the Sharks may get the cap but no reason to rush as price will last.

Other caps

Stormers -9.5 - too big in my opinion - Brumbies +9.5 5 units

Hurricanes -18.5 - probably about where it will start

Reds -5.5 - as expected

Others to follow but Brumbies the early value in my opinion.

Yip, Brumbies +9.5 too high to resist.
Think Reds flatered and Blues +5.5 too high

Agree RB, Cheetahs look good at -4.5

Agree Brumbies plus 9.5 looks way too big, Crusaders about right as we expect some big improvement if they are to feature this season, having said that the Sharks will also be under big pressure to improve. I thought Blues plus was big as I reckon it should be closer to choice mainly as a result of the loss of James Horwill, he is their "engine room". Nothing else really stands out just yet. Was hoping for 5/1 Crusaders outright :-(

Force v Chiefs is up at +6.5

Stormers v Brumbies has closed so punters have clearly had a feeding frenzy on that one, I imagine it will reopen around -4.5 Stormers.

Coil very surprised Crusaders were not closer to 5/1 but not sure that I agree with you and Hanrick on their chances.

We all agree they were poor but my worry is that aside from Jack and McCaw returning what else do they have in the tank? Their backline actually looks pretty ordinary and they don't seem to have a real game breaker outside of Carter who looks a little out of sorts at the moment.

I have a double and straight bet on them but personally I will not be pressing but rather look to bulk up on my Bulls and Stormers interest rather.

I would be more than happy were I to be proved wrong on this but would rather back the Crusaders not to make the final 4 than to win at this stage.

I see I misunderstood Coil's comment on the Crusaders outright. I thought he meant 5/1 outirght on the game against the Sharks, not 5/1 to win the Super 14.

Brent, I agree that the Crusaders don't look that good. The same could be said for the Sharks however and I think the Crusaders will beat the Sharks.

I've had a look at the Bulls' remaining fixtures and I wouldn't be surprised if they end up on top of the log after week 15.

Greatodds out with 4 of the games' handicaps (all tie in play):

Crusaders -14
Stormers -5
Cheetahs -7
Bulls -15

The Sharks at +14 (at evens) looks good for me. Expect the Crusaders to win, by I think they'll win by less than 14.

At 11.5 I was undecided, but Sharks +14 at Evens looks good, Im with you boys. 5 units

nice to read some positive comments about Sharks, we're getting a bashing everywhere else!!

I try not to punt the Sharks (can't take the double pain when they lose!) but agree, +14 looks nice.

Like the look of Highlanders at +7, that's probably going against the flow but think they could surprise the Cheetahs.