I'm not quite buying this....If there were licensing bypassing the law,i cant see guys like piggs not using it.
As i had it,online gambling(exl sports betting and such),is illegal,POINT.
Any other input would be interresting.Brent?Guys?

As far as I know Bookmakers who want to operate on our shores must have their servers and support on SA soil and must satisfy other strict criteria and guidelines.I dont think betwize have done so and nowhere do they have the "is licensed and regulated by the Western (or some other board) Gambling & Racing Board" banner.Greatodds which is an effectively  the SAfrican version of www.sportingbet.com minus the poker and games allows Safricans to bet within SA boundaries.Victor Chandler SA is another example,you bet on victorchandler.com its considered illegal but victorchandler.co.za its legal.
The bet has to take place in South African.If i place a bet with betwize I am nowing placing a bet outside SA borders which is illegal.I dont know, thats my interpertation of the laws.So i wouldnt take a chance with betwize.Be careful with Betfair as well.

Sounds like Moscow is plugging his company here. :-) and taking a flying shot in the dark with betfair and betwize. The current act does not implicate overseas registered books as illegal - it is the South African registered  and operating within South African border gambling sites that are impacted. If you look at the Western Province gamblinbg license it is as relevant as a pork chop in a barmitvah - it is not a recognised or white labelled license so carries no international or even local weight for that matter since the new court decision (which overrides it) so Sportingbet.co.za and its White Label operators are running off cowboy licenses. VCBet are better off dropping their co.za URL and just operating off their .com
I don't see Ladbrokes and others (including Betfair) rejecting South African customers or discontinuing Rands as a deposit currency. The major impact is on banking transactions, so any online betting company whose payment gateways are in SA are going to be open to government litigation. Companies like Ladbrokes, VCBet, BetWize and BetFair have payment gateways outside of South Africa, so these transactions do not take place in SA. Besides this curretnJudicial decision has been put in place while the Gaming Board and its members try and figure out a way of legislating online gambling and protecting South Africans who are playing in unlegislated sites from exploitation.
So apologies Moscow dude, you PR piece is very relevant to the header of this forum - South Africans - don't be duped! You are doing the duping dude by interpreting the legislation in favour of your gambling company. Nice one!

Could someone clarify the foreign allowance clearance from sars?, does that mean  if you have money is Swaziland then you can play casino games with Piggs from SA?

CockSpur wrote:

Ever heard of e-Wallets Justin? How can South Africa or any other country for that matter track money movements through an e-wallet? Welcome to the 21st Century. But thanks for trying to support your mate Moscow with fear tactics.

Yes I have heard of it and to be honest I haven't thought about using it.

I am not trying to scare people with "fear tactics". I know where my bank (Investec) stands regarding the issue and I am sharing it on this thread. If you know better who am I to argue.

Ladbrokes and the like won't stop saffers from opening accounts with them (I am one of them) and if one so chooses to use e-wallets or paypal as a payment gateway then go ahead. Imo I am not willing to take the chance and have said as much.

Thanks for the welcome to the 21st century. Here I was thinking WTF!

I thought it was pretty black and white - you've got to be locally licenced, be a SA registered company and have a local banking relationship, no matter how good you are elsewhere, be it UK, Europe or wherever. I'm not saying i'm for that rigid approach, just a fact of how things have been set and stand. I've experienced the red tape 1st hand a few years back, was frustrating after seeing a lot of time and effort come to nothing.

This thread looks like a typical attempt to promote a betting website unethically ie : A new poster advertises the benefits of a betting site that no-one has heard of, and a couple of posts later, another phantom coincidentally pops up in support of the platform. This tactic seems to be the M.O. for Darklord and CockSpur, who have used this type of guerilla marketing on other forums in the past.  Spurs Reign / Cockspur - obviously the same person.
http://forum.sbrforum.com/sports-promot … twize.html

Quite ironic then how Moscowgomez is being accused of favouring certain bookmakers when these 2 tag team all over the internet.

The bottom line is that these gents are trying to entice South Africans to participate in illegal betting activities, and using sweeteners such as 'South Africa's preferred bookmaker' even though they only display the Union Jack and Swedish Flag on their homepage.

They have also tried to substantiate this SA ideology by posting in Afrikaans forums, ' Ons as Suid Afrikaners is baie trots op ons prestasie in sport en wat ons met betWize doen is die kans vir Suid Afrikaaners gee om meer betrokke to raak met sport. Ek dink die tyd is reg vir ons as Suid Afrikaaners om hard te skreeu oor ons sport geskiedenis. ' I remember going to Cairo a few years ago and even the street children there speak Afrikaans.

As for Darklord's comment about  Betwize being ' compliant to legislation which protects and ensures South African customers can continue to pursue their gaming in a safe and secure environment' - that is entirely false, as South Africans have very little chance of recovering winnings from a non-South African website that refuses to pay.
South African customers are protected by their jurisdictional Gambling Boards as securites are lodged by bookmakers before getting their licences and these are used to pay clients in the case of emergency. With operators like Betwize - there is no security or guarantee.

There is an entire forum dedicated to Betwize and it does make interesting reading for those who are contemplating taking the risk of signing up.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/sho … mp;page=13